Let's Talk: April

I agree with Gorian on this one - the current situation is not the norm. Drama and stuff happens, but we should be working it out smoother than this. And talking things out right here because they aren't being talked out anywhere productive right now is sort of the purpose of this thread, so I can hardly approve of any message that contains the statement that talking things out won't be a solution.

The long term solution is to have us all talking with each other, and not losing any tempers. Say something when a rule is being broken or abused, and keep saying it up the chain (with proper delays to give folks a chance to respond) until things get fixed. On the flip side, when a ruling goes against you after escalating it up the chain, it's time to move the frak on and forget about it. Dragging up things that were settled by the proper chain of command is petty and another contributing factor in the current drama.

Lastly -- I do agree we should all strive to be succinct. Keep it short and brief and to the point. But... Don't dismiss a post out of hand for being lengthy, read it first. The OP may have a valid need to elaborate.

 

I almost feel like I said this whole thing started with a channel being renamed and could have gone completely different if I was asked about it. you Gorian, you seem to know what I'm thinking.

@Nimitz - Gorian is right on this one, you must be joining some weird clans/communities if they let this stuff go for so long. The last large community I was in, any drama popped up, it was essentially met with a 'you can stop this now, or you can leave.' Though the admins there did their job and investigated each side of a story to a complaint, much like I try to do, before taking any real action - they try to hear people out. There were no divides, no 'factions,' people there loved each other. People like Liam feel undervalued and get the man up speech, apparently - that shouldn't be happening. That creates divides too, though I can probably name a couple others that feel the same way as him, though look at the Council section and where the biasm falls.

Lastly, about short and succinct posts... Maybe consider actually reading. The longer posts actually bring to light a lot of issues, the majority of a long post that any member makes seems to get shrugged under a rug, or God help us all if someone has a lot of catching up to do. It goes for everybody, long posts being swept under the rug - and unless it's a spam bot, the extra few minutes is worth it.

 

Problems would be left solved if people could "forgive and forget." When it's dealt with and "resolved"

A dispute going on between two members does not need the whole clan to be involved and cause the fire to grow.

If I am having a problem with you, then I tell you and we talk about, we make mends and we move on.

When someone else has a problem with you, suddenly 3 more people have the same problem with you because you and that individual couldn't settle the differences.

So let's say Gorian is right, then why should we compare ourselves to the "other communities" you've both been in. I applaud the success but quite frankly, it doesn't matter.

One thing I'm sure hasn't been tried is having everyone on teamspeak and finding resolutions to each others personal issues. Posting and recurgitating all over the forums is not effective. At all.

We'd be more effective talking about it and spending the 15-30min actually talking about it as an entire clan rather than the "2 extra minutes" to read the post.

Now if i could only connect to teamspeak... That'd be fantastic.




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This is a community of gamers of very different game styles, communication styles and platforms NOT a clan.

I don't see us existing any other way than forming smaller groups within a larger one and that doesn't need to be a problem - everyone can find somewhere to belong here. I'm with Nimitz on this one. I would like to see everyone AT LEAST respect each other. If you don't have something nice to say to each other, don't say anything at all.

We aren't a clan focused on one game, always working together with a single goal. It's inevitable that we split up - but I think THAT is what will make us great IF we dont tear each other apart. We are a place that can collect GREAT gamers from ALL genres.

The first I knew of this was you telling me about it. The aftermath was between us - it really had little to do with this perceived drama and more to do with solving the issue of TS in general.

 

Do I need to drop the definition of 'clan' and 'community' on you, gramps, or are you going to look them up yourself?

There's a difference between some kind of healthy rivalry, some kind of small separation and group that DOESN'T cause issues, like the civil war that was sparked over a certain base being completely wrecked...

And from starting a bunch of crap in a game, getting wrecked hard, and twisting the story DRASTICALLY to suit your needs, holding grudges, etc etc. Like Saib said, it's not normal what it is now - the above example, the civil war, was pretty normal. I got to shoot up Garler a bit and still retain a friendship, didn't I?

 

When a lot of us old timers signed up, clan meant drills and squads and competitive play. These days we've got groups within the clan doing that in some games, groups of casuals, folks who just hang around the forum, etc. Clan or community is just semantics, but saying community helps acknowledge that some division will happen now that we've spread in so many directions. The key is making sure it all stays civil and respectful.

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Thought I was ready for full {PR} when KID wrecked me 25-1 or something... Fuck Wizard.

 

Yeah, we were brutal sometimes. Half the goal of those early tests was to beat you down as hard as possible and see that you kept your cool and kept trying.

#throwbackthursday ;-)

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I actually have a working crack for Halo. Goes online and everything

 

I might have my copy around too

sent from the nexus

 

Pfft, cracks, I have a CD case somewhere - not sure if I have the CD though, even if I did my disk reader doesn't work for crap. The main issue I think would be I'll have to guess some of the numbers/letters.

 

I still have my original.

 

I'm just really bad at maintaining CD cases in my house. It's ridiculous.

 

I'd say some situations warrant it. If you have an issue with another member, and then member is NOT okay with you, or the way you are handling it, or doesn't feel comfortable with trying to talk you about it, that is why arbitration is available. If the situation doesn't warrant it, then great.

How isn't it? Is that not the purpose of a forum and public discourse? I mean, should we then just shut down pr-gaming.net/forums since they have no purpose? Or, what if you decide that you want to discuss the fate of PR in TeamSpeak, but oh well, sucks for sandbag, he is just in the wrong time zone.

A forum means moderation. Not just that admin that favours you, but the one who you pissed off last week. It means that important discussions can be arbitrated OBJECTIVELY.

This is great, and I apologize if I was unclear in what I meant. I think it's GREAT if you we have a community that loves DayZ (and I'd love to be able to join you). I think it's GREAT that we have a community that plays tekkit. (I love you guys. Thanks SO much for making it lots of fun to play! ). I LOVE that we have a community that loves to play warframe. AND SO ON. It's awesome. It is the whole reason I play games online, to play with friends.
What is NOT great, is small sub-communities that CREATE DIVISION. Cliques whose sole purpose that make them a group is they dislike someone else. What's NOT great is groups with problems so big they feel ostracized from the PR community as a whole AND THEN DON'T TRY TO FIX IT. If want want to join together to have fun playing a game, that's what PR is about. But if we are joining together for no reason other than disliking a person is PR, or a way things are done, we have a problem. And it should be addressed.

 

I don't know that, that is necessarily the case - I really think it's different strokes for different folks. People don't have to like each other - and it's obvious to me (and I find it hard to believe that it isn't to anyone else) that the personality types that split off together in different sections do so for that reason; they have different personality types.

Forcing someone to like another person is not going to do anyone any favours.

I really think this will be less of an issue with a bigger player base - so get recruiting.

 

I'm not saying it IS the sole reason. But, I do think we can disagree, and even dislike others, civilly. and can do so while still respecting other people and the PR rules. There is no reason for the kind of drama I've been seeing lately, and a lot of it seems to come from these "groups".
I have disagreements sometimes. Hell, sometimes I disagree with you Sandbag. But at the end of the day, I can separate something you said or did that I disagree with, and still think you are pretty swell guy. And I can articulate a counter-point from my perspective that disagrees with you while still still being civil and respecting you.

 

The only drama I really noticed or experienced this round was actually the drama about the "drama". I wasn't actually aware there was one until it was brought up in the council - so I think we have given the most recent issue more credence/air time than it deserved.